No matter how much you wrote past the first paragraph in the List section. You showed yourself. At this point, I felt this isn't about women. This is about you. You want the unattainable, which is your decision, right or wrong.

I was wrong in that assumption.

You are right that men need a friend zone. A smart, single man needs this most of all and should realize some women are so valuable that sex as a goal should never be applied to these women. The guys in your group showed their whiny true ugly selves, which isn't about looks.

I hold these lady besties, of mine, in the highest regard. They are only on the friends list, even when two had their arms around me and tongues in my mouth. I didn't go past it. I create true sisters. I wait a while to see the in-boxes and out-boxes of some of them and never want to be in the pile. In their experience, humor, and familial love, I cherish each one, but God forbid I wake up with one of them.

Men listen to a woman you want but doesn't want you if you are friends. She will be honest. Don't get mad and don't get into perfect shape or personality to just bed her. Leave her friend-ed.

Realize the gift. A beautiful desired woman is giving you the time of day to talk to you about being better.

Later, If she wants you, she will show true signs when she cock blocks you or tells you another is no good. Then you may confront her. Don't make a pass. Ask her the intention of her interruptions. If not intimate, that is okay. Don't go on date nights where that friend is around.

Sorry for the ramble but you are right.